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Now we know what happened yesterday
... or do we?
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So tonight was our first real chance to see how the main show works without the live feed - and it simply doesn’t.

We got the main tasks yes, but less than 30 seconds of reaction.

We got the impression there was a bit of resentment between the HMs and non-HMs, but we have no idea whether that’s just a couple of occassions during the day or whether the resentment really is there all day.

We saw the HMs and non-HMs pretty much keep themselves separated throughout the show, but have no idea whether this is an accurate reflection of how they interacted throughout the day.

And we were given the impression Saffia is a bitch, as is Sophia - but again, we’ve no idea of the context of their outbursts and whether it was them simply getting something off their chests, or whether they moaned about each other all day.

In previous series the editing could always be backed up with the knowledge it was being watched 24/7, and hence the producers couldn’t get away with anything dodgy.

Tonight, I just didn’t trust what I was seeing.

For details of how to complain about the axing of the live feed click here.

And I promise I’ll talk about something else next time.

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Mike says: June 6, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

“And I promise I’ll talk about something else next time.”

You say that in every single post.

Kevin says: June 6, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

Yeah, we get it, you hate C4 axing LF.

But I come here for bb NEWs, something you’ve been lacking and far behind other bb sites like tellymix.

BB Fan says: June 6, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

No offense Brekkie, but do you ever stop moaning. I’m sure most visitors have had enough.

Catton says: June 6, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

For fear or making myself unpopular, I actually enjoyed tonight’s episode of BB more than I have any other episode in the last 3 or 4 years. I found myself realising that I was genuinely being entertained by the stories that were being told, and the way the producers showed us the housemate’s reactions.
But I know that this is an unpopular view to express…

Brekkie says: June 6, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

I do agree Catton it wasn’t a bad episode at all, but it just left me with more questions than answers about what happened yesterday.

Salv says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

I actually realy enjoyed the HL show tonight but annoyed they didnt show Charlie and the condom with BB telling himoff, or the talent show or the speed dating… and im very pissed off at now LF.

But i just want everyone to watch the HLs, the thing you should boycott is the BB website if you want Lf back.

Rob says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

im getting bored off BBspy whining about LF, make the most of what we got for christs sake!

Catton says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

I think Salv that the events you mentioned only happened toady, so they will be shown on tomorrow’s HL show.
I know what you’re getting at Brekkie, your statement about not being able to trust what you see if very intelligent and informed. But Big Brother is the omnipient character who can control everything, that means the housemates and now, sadly, the viewer as well.

noodle doodle says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

To be fair to Brekkie guys this is a major issue BB v fans wise. Probably bigger than the whole putting a house mate back in debacle that happened in BB7. I for one am grateful that someone is gving us fans who sorely miss the live feed a voice. I can see why it must be annoying though, I’m getting sick of banging on about it so much myself LOL but would really appreciate your understanding about this :)

BBFan says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

I think it does work. I’d seen teasers of what happens and wanted to see how it pans out, so I was a little bit of a saddo and stayed in tonight … I wasn’t disappointed!!

If they shown more reactions then we wouldn’t have seen things such as the bitching at the end, and if that surfaced at a later point we’d be having the same argument … why didn’t they focus more time on that?

I don’t think the editing is biased as such, but if you’re going to try and get 24 hours into 46 minutes then of course it is going to look biased.

Those thinking the live feed is 100% truth are imo deluded and must remove their rose tinted glasses asap. Some of you don’t realise how edited live feed is- they can cut away at any point, sound dips, cover over with adverts etc.

That said, live feed should return, or at least an ‘unseen’ highlights show on E4 each day where basically it is just another half an hour-hour of highlights.

BBFan says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

Plus us Freeview viewers have coped for 3 years without a live feed and just relied on the internet/teaser clips. This year its all of us that have to do that, and from a Freeview viewers perspective, this year is imo no different to any other.

andrew Thomas-Jenkins. says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

I simply cannot belive some of you I really cant.

hasnt it dawned on you what you are ‘liking’ and accepting you might as well watch a soap opera..youre being told who to like,whos a bitch whos boring whos crazy.

its supposed to be reality TV way too harsh on brekkie the guy is dead centre of common sense.

Brekkie says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

Thing is BB Fan those with Freeview could get updates online from live feed updates and people posting news on forums and sites like this. That’s not happening - last night the BB website shut down at 5.25pm, so we had no idea what was happening.

And apologies to those sick of my moaning - believe it or not I’m sick of it too, but I believe at the moment it is the most important issue so I’m not going to shy away from highlighting it occassionally.

Ben says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

The only thing we can do about Big Brother at the moment is seem to be moan about it !! people whaever we do NOTHING WILL CHANGE they wont put LF on and thats that so just enjoy BB before its too laate.

Matt says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

Regarding the Views criticisms:

The Views section is here for our authors to post topics and views on which they feel strongly about, and for users to post their thoughts on said subjects.

The live feed is a major issue affecting this series and as such the situation will be scrutinised in the Views section.

Views posts are clearly differentiated from news articles on this site. If you don’t like them, don’t read them.

Also, remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Remember that personal attacks against anybody on this site, be they commenters or authors, will not be tolerated.

BB10RIP says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Total Agree with your view Brekkie !
Great post too Noodle.

You know my views from other posts here.

Its also interesting as I look arround several boards how the ‘BB10 is great without LF’ people seem to hunt in packs as if planned.

Iam also aware at least one of them has been a focus group member for the show :-))

BBFan says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:30 pm

Actually Brekkie I disagree. We were told all day what had happened, until 7pm. During BBLB there was a lot of ‘breaking news’. Then come 7pm and there are other things to do … 9pm the highlights, a little down patch for an hour but oh well we’ll get over it, call it BB relief, and then live feed later on at night. Again, from a Freeview viewers perspective I have experienced no change in the amount of info I have received this weekend.

Dodge says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

Good points, Brekkie.

And at the end of tonight’s HL show we finally found out that Beinazir isn’t a mute.

BBFan says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

I’m sorry I keep doing this (double posting, I always have something to add once I’ve submitted!!) but can I just say I think its very disrespectful when people launch an attack on Brekkie for what he writes, whether direct or indirect. Its clear from the title, description and opening two lines exactly what this article is about. If you don’t like it then why read on? IMO Brekkie provides some really good views and talking points; if we all agreed what a boring old world we’d live in!! Thats what debate is for.

Moaning before= ok it was repetitive and all theory
Moaning after= we’ve experienced it now. Lets reflect on what we thought and what we now think so imo its not still ‘whinging about it’.

Some people HAVE changed their views.

andrew Thomas-Jenkins. says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

Its worth pointing out btw..

its already began c4 isnt doing what it promised updates are getting delayed again..they promised the media that wouldnt happen again 3 days in it is.

BB10RIP says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Told all day what had happened ? LOL how !

Pitiful CH4 Website has little on it and what there is is hours out of date ! Same with twitter and Facebook most of the time. BBLB breaking news wow lot on that like a whole minute of ‘live’ video for biscuit dunking task LOL

Also freeview access is down no live feed in afternoons now

Brekkie says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Talking of mutes, is Rodrigo still there. He did the thing on launch night and has barely featured in the show since.

Catton says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

Rodrigo is often in the background, but he certainly hasn’t featured very much since. I think being placed above the rest of the group so quickly scared him that he may be alienated from the group and so he is trying not to offend anyone.

BBFan says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

Channel 4 website, The Sun website etc … a lot if info about yesterday if you bother to do and look

And on BBLB they kept giving info, albeit outdated, that we didn’t already know

And Freeview access may be down but afternoon streaming was full of sound dips and cutaways.

BB10RIP says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

Exactly Brekkie !

andrew Thomas-Jenkins. says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

hmmmm wonder why that was remeber polite lisa? the plumber who couldnt say 2 words without the F or C word coming out…what did she add to the house apart from a load of swear words so bad they couldnt even use half of them in the 9pm slot?

BBFan says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

If you watched the live feed that you seem to argue for then you would have seen what Lisa added to the house. She was a cause of some conflict/divides imo.

And that was 1 series, every series from BB5+ has been the same in terms of sound cuts

Brekkie says: June 6, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

It’s an urban myth it’s all sound cuts. Yes, they are there but the majority of each hour isn’t cut.

Obviously it is cut more during the day than at night, but last night there were only a couple of fairly short occassions when the sound was cut - and I’ve not seen the picture cut at all yet.

BB10RIP says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:00 am

Channel4 website lot of info LOL.
Oh yes at one point 12 hours out of date and crummy little 1 minute clips where up to half of it is an advert LOL . This was the clips and website CH4 told us would be updated very regularly as people oh so prefer to live feed online and later 24/7 so we have put effort there ! PMSL

Sun website just more of the same feed directly from BB CH4 and out of date.

Dips and Cut aways in the afternoon stream ? Yes but still got alot more of any idea of what happened before and after stuff show on H/L and at least a little confidence the whole show wasnt scripted. Now 18 hours to have production meetings and reshoot etc as required LOL

BB10RIP says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:07 am

Total nonsense Sound cuts & cutaways have been same since BB5 its go worse and worse every year as part of a long term plan which this year has come to pass :-))))

Andrew says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Who actually cares?

I liked the highlights show.

End of.

Alec says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:10 am

Good post brekkie. We (as bb news website reporters) need the LF, otherwise we rely on the C4 website. - and lets face it. It has not been updated for hours!

Views are opinions guys, if you dont want to read them.. dont click the link. :)

BB10RIP says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Im glad you liked the highlights show
tonight Andrew. Plenty didnt and do care

End of.

Andrew says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:14 am

Well, people who wanna watch Live feed all are, well how can i put this?
SAD!

=]

End Of.

Brekkie says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:15 am

No news from the house today on the official site since 4.30pm - so even if you;re happy with their one minute clips and irregular news stories, that’s still a gap of six and a half hours with no news at all.

BB10RIP says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:16 am

@Alec

Exactly the core of problem. They are starving the fan sites of news and for that matter alot of the Media. So not the usual online buzz that helps to create interest in the casual BB viewer/fan. Look how flat things ?

BB10RIP says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:19 am

No need for that Andrew. Out of interest why come to fan sites like this where the people run it are by your definition sad ?

BB10RIP says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:31 am

No I didnt expect an Answer Andrew. Run along to the super fabulous official BB Website where the last update was 4:30pm and drink the CH4 koolaid LOL

Andrew says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:31 am

i didnt call Matt sad.

But you must admit, its only live feed.

You are making out as if its a crisis.

And i visit the site because i want to know BB gossip. But i wouldnt sit and complain about a very fragile show at the moment which is basically going to help make the show be axed.

Do you want Big Brother at all?

BB10RIP says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:46 am

You infered anyone that watches the Live feed was sad :-)

Its a crisis if you like the show and like to watch it in any way. Might only be the Live feed as you term it. For BB11 ( if it happens now ) You could quite easily find its 2 Highlight shows a week and a few spin off program and that all “due to cost” .

You say its fragile yes becuase of the way year on year they keep axing viewer involvment and treating viewers with contempt. complaining wont get it axed the way they are running into ground with their behavour will.

Yes I want a big Brother like rest of World. Not a Big Brother meets Apprentice
Soap Opera pretending to be 24/7 live and isnt

Andrew says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:47 am

haha you didnt expect a reply?

lol, look whos not replying now.

and if you must know, i hadnt looked at this site until the same time you posted that so i hadnt even saw your comment.

Andrew says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:48 am

lmao we keep doing this…

complaining about the other one not replying then finding they have.. haha

BB10RIP says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:50 am

LOL yes we do :-)

Andrew says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:51 am

look BB10RIP.- Very morbid name may I add.

I just think that if you have a bad attitude towards BB10 just because there is no live feed, then it will make the series unenjoyable for you.

The highlights show is a sum up of the best parts of a day.

So instead of complaing about when live feed should be on, go out and enjoy yourself then watch the Highlight show at night. And if that is not satifying enough for you, then Big Brother live feed is available at night.

BB10RIP says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:55 am

Nope stating my opinion of whats happened not morbid.

Life would be boring if we all agreed with each other. So lets agree to disagree and not call each other names :-)

Andrew says: June 7, 2009 @ 1:01 am

Did i call you a name?
If I did then i am sorry?

If you mean sad? then i take that back.
I agree that live feed was good to put on when i was bored or had nothing else to do and in some way will miss it.
But i am not letting it ruin the whole series for me, nor will i complain as it will just iritate and probably reinforce the idea of Big Brother being axed, which is something i really do not want.

Although i must admit, I do not think Big Brother is “dead” just because of the lack of live feed and poor ratings.
As fans we should support the show and enjoy it, without complaining and giving haters more reason to complain.

So yeah, sorry if i offeneded you by calling you sad, which i do take back, because your not and i totally understand where you are coming from.

=]

Anthony says: June 7, 2009 @ 1:31 am

I agree with you brekkie

It just doesn`t feel quite the same with out the live feed

I really expect it to have an impact on ratings over the coming weeks for the worse

please any one who supports bring the live feed back sign here http://www.petitiononline.com/BB10/petition.html

also keep those complaints going to channel 4

DJBoddington says: June 7, 2009 @ 1:43 am

i like the way sites moan about things - if they didnt it would just be plain boring and full of news and we are allowed to express our own feelings towards something like Live Feed and maybe help people to understand why they did it ect - so if you are sick of it why click it in the first place eh?
I dont think C4 will return LF to us, once they axe something dont think it’ll come back - how do you know they even listen/read complaints anyway?

mayflower says: June 7, 2009 @ 9:23 am

i have to be honest, i am loving the series without live feed. Now i am excited to know whats happening and whats going to happen next without having it diluted with having watched it throughout the day. brilliant!

anne says: June 7, 2009 @ 9:30 am

i also agree with you brekkie
i dont feel i know any of the housemates
therefore will NOT be voting on sunday
its amazing how much is not been shown on the hour show
we are missing out on too much

mayflower says: June 7, 2009 @ 10:50 am

its strange how this is polorising views. I think the opposite to anne….and last night was thinking how i really like the housemates and how much better they are than last year, and that the winner is not as clear cut as it usually is as there are lots of strong personalities

Brekkie says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

I agree mayflower the winner isn’t clear cut, but that’s mainly because they’re all pretty dull.

A line up as uninteresting as BB4’s IMO.

BB10RIP says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:19 pm

It not polarising views IMHO. Just flushing out the CH4 Stoogies in alot of cases that do float arround the fan sites from time to time and are having to do some work trying to unsucessfully convince people how great it all is and how no 24/7 feed is oh so much better LOL.

As far as them not listening to viewer complaiints over the feed no they dont. They act with utter contempt towards people with generic replies which show they dont listen atall. Thats why there is so much annoyance . Not helping things is they misled people for months over 24/7 feed issue saying no decision when we now know it was cancelled before CBB this year for this series ! Then to add insult to injury cut even the few hours afternoon ive feed on E4 and have many nights where overnight streaming starts as late as after 1am !

The pattern is cut cut cut every series now. If everyone just accepts this years situation and says how great it is I can see BB11 (if it even happens now ) having 2 highlight shows a week plus endless repeats of them and no live streaming atall if they think they can still get a certain level of advertising revenue. In that case they would fill in between H/L with their Ad filled 1 minute clips on their Youtube channel.

Brekkie says: June 7, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

A message, claiming to be from a member of the production staff.

—————————————–
I’ve just heard from another production member that one of our producers is meeting a Channel 4 bigwig regarding the live feed situation.

Despite giving out a clear reason on the website for the reduction of live feed, we’re still receiving a lot of complaints every single day.

The problem isn’t at our end, but it’s Channel 4’s decision. We want the fans to enjoy the whole Big Brother experience and ideally that would include the live feed. However due to certain goals that Channel 4 have outside of our control, it’s not currently possible to offer the service.

It’s important to know, though, that this is not a “crisis meeting” or what have you. We’ve been happy about how the series has gone so far, but it’s important that the complaints are being addressed. It’s been the most complained about topic to Channel 4 over the last three months.

I know a lot of the staff including myself are angry about the negative reaction the show is getting especially by the big fans. Naturally we’re used to negative publicity by the wider public, but not my our own fans to such an extent.

We’re working harder than ever to produce a brilliant series. I think many will appreciate that the full house is extraordinary and a lot of work has gone into making it that good.

All I know is that the main topic of discussion for the meeting will be the complaints about the live feed. The likelihood is that Channel 4 won’t budge. Even if they did, the service would not be reinstated immediately, it would take time.
—————————————–

(thanks to rzt at Digital Spy, who points out the same source was accurate about the house a week ago)

Lewis says: June 7, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

“The Views section is here for our authors to post topics and views on which they feel strongly about, and for users to post their thoughts on said subjects.”

Yes, and my view is that you should do less moaning and more news, one news article is enough. Now everyone knows how to complain please post about something that happens in the shows?

Matt says: June 7, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Lewis, you may want to check out our news section, located at http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news, where we have posted about all of the non-housemate tasks and the new house pictures.

If you don’t come here for opinion, don’t read the Views posts.

Vesavius says: June 7, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

I agree on the no live feed situation, and have sent this feedback in, for the good it will do. made me feel better anyhow :)

As a long time follower of this show, I am very dissapointed at the lack of live feed again, especially after all the drama and bad feeling last year over the same topic.

Once again it just seems like C4 is happy to let this show suffer without the support that it initially had, simply because their contract runs out soon and they just no longer care. The money has been made now right? Now screw the customers who helped you make it right?

While this may suit C4, it is a massive smack in mouth to their up to now loyal viewers who have enjoyed the live feed and form the heart of the BB community, as they have done for years, helping generate you revenue.

To simply disregard us now, just because C4 has made up it’s mind that BB no longer suits it’s programming philosophy (and it is no longer the massive cash cow it once was) is actually despicable. All that money the hardcore fanbase have helped your channel earn over the last decade show should be rewarded with some little loyalty for the last couple of years of the show at least.

If nothing else, in these days of viral opinion forming and word of mouth reputations by active internet users, it’s actually just good business.

Please just ask yourselves, if you are so intent on casting us off at this point, how soon will it be before we trust you ever again to actively support one of your shows, knowing that as soon as you have made your money you will just cut us off. Please think again and reinstate live feed asap.

Brekkie says: June 7, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

Lewis - read what we’re actually saying and you’ll understand why there is no news.

NO NEWS HAS BEEN POSTED ON THE OFFICIAL SITE FOR 24 HOURS!

And therefore without the live feed, we’re screwed.

Ryan.B says: June 7, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

EVERYONE EMAIL AND COMPLAIN TO CHANNEL 4 I HAVE DONE :)

Danzi says: June 7, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Ive never watched the live feed, the highlights and live shows have always been enough to satisfy me. As much as i love the show, i don’t have to have it on every second of the day. Infact i am getting more than usual coz this is the first Big Brother I have looked for stuff on line!

I am sure when the series gets under way everyone will be fine.

anne says: June 7, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

to mayflower
sorry if i wasn’t clear in my comments i didn’t mean that i didn’t like the housemates i just don’t feel that after 2 hours of viewing that i know them well enough to vote for someone i like i agree with you that there is not a clear winner i think this year could be the best bb we have had for a long time but without live feed i think we are missing come good coverage of what the housemates have been up too
i don’t feel part of it all yet but hope they come to there senses soon and give us live feed or start giving up to date cover on there web site

Lewis says: June 7, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

May I ask, why do you even want to watch live feed, whenever I tune in it is just them washing up or a picture of the sky with the noise of a plane

Brekkie says: June 7, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Davina’s latest tweet - “Find a petition and sign it”

So here’s one we found earlier: http://www.petitiononline.com/BB10/petition.html

dylan harvey says: June 7, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

LE’WIS: ”May I ask, why do you even want to watch live feed, whenever I tune in it is just them washing up or a picture of the sky with the noise of a plane”

HAHAHA I GOTTA AGREE WITH U THERE
them bloody messages that pop up all the time saying sorry about them switching off the sound

Brekkie says: June 7, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

The sound dips obviously annoy you both, so you must be at least interested in what you can see and hear when the sound isn’t dipped.

And you’re not getting that this year.

dylan harvey says: June 7, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

true

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