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Thinking Positive
Looking back at BB9
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We’ve said a lot about the negatives around the show at the moment - too much in some people’s opinion - so time to take a look at the positives from BB9.  (I’m not even going to attempt to find any from CBB6!)

Unfortunately it wasn’t reflected in the ratings, but for those who did watch Big Brother 9 was a significant improvement on the last couple of years, and for me personally it was the best series since Big Brother 6.

Housemates

I’m not one of those people who believe it’s all about the casting - but undoubtedly the housemates play an important role in Big Brother - and with BB9 they got the casting pretty much right. The housemates were people you wanted to watch, wanted to hate, wanted to love - and wanted to evict - and as with all the best series in recent years, quickly split into two distinct groups, allowing the viewers at home to take sides as well.   They were also competitive too - and for the first time wanting to win wasn’t always seen as a bad thing.

In addition, although at 21 throughout the series it seemed a lot, we technically only got three new housemates last year - the three girls introduced around four weeks in.    Stuart and Nicole were technically replacements, and although Nicole’s introduction was not necessary, in numbers terms at least, her introduction carried the show for the final few weeks - even if it did ruin Rex’s chances of winning.

Davina

With a show like Big Brother it’s important the host is as enthusiastic about the viewer - and that we believe that enthusiasm.   Back in BB8 when Davina was telling us how “amazing” everything was, we saw straight through her because we knew it wasn’t - but it was a different story last year as Davina was clearly enjoying the series, and that was reflected in how she presented the show.

Another positive from last year was the return to the studio for making the eviction announcements - something many fans had been calling for basically since they moved outside for BB5.    The evictions are the highlight of the week - and it’s important we see how the housemates react to the eviction results, not how the crowd react to them.

Head of House

Better late than never is probably the best way to describe the Head of House and Heaven and Hell twist last year.    If I wasn’t thinking positive, I’d point out it should have started weeks earlier, Heaven and Hell should have lasted longer - and the contrast be greater - plus the initial twist of the Head of House deciding who lives where should have been maintained as it really shook up the dynamics in the house.

However, as I’m thinking positive I’ll applaud the producers for finally resurrecting the divide twist.    It may split opinion amongst the fans, but the fact that BB3 is by far the most popular series can’t be ignored - and the time was right to bring it back - and they executed it quite differently too, with simple twists such as the Housemates from Hell having to earn the right to nominate adding a new dimension to the game.

It was also great that once they’d finished with Heaven and Hell they didn’t abandon the role of Head of House - and with just some minor responsibilities and the advantage of immunity they showed it could work alongside the traditional format.    For many people the position of Head of House should be the starting point for changes to BB10, and it was very disappointing that after playing a key part in the first week of Celebrity Big Brother it was then abandoned without a trace.

The House

We were fed up of the houses getting smaller every year.   In BB9 it got bigger - that’s a positive surely.   The task room was also a very useful addition to the series, while the simple concepts of the jail and the tokens bought something new to the show which were a feature throughout.

Structure

Like a lot of people, I wasn’t a huge fan of the weekly tasks running over just two days, but I do like that the tasks were much more structured than in the last couple of years, generally with something for the Head of House on Saturdays, the HMs from hell nominating on Mondays and then the main task on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.    Simple ideas like the tokens and “Big Brother’s ever changing mystery prize” also seemed to work well too.

The nominations process remained largely intact throughout too - indeed with Heaven and Hell they did something I’d been wanting for years - a twist which affects nominations each week, rather than a series of unconnected twists affecting nominations when the producers found it convenient.

And finally…

Zezi.   Sacking her, that is.

Written by Brekkie Posted on May 19 2009 at 6:25pm Share/bookmark this post:
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33 comments
Aled says: May 19, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

I totally agree with everythin accept Zezi, i just didn’t have any problem with her, and actually preffered her to George Lamb, she was different and fun. In my opinion she was treated really unfairly and was slated way too much. But anyway onwards and upawrds! Hope BB10 is going to be good now!

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

BB9 was poor! it started well but again, the concept has not moved on enough.

still needs more competition, cash, personal incentives, rewards, punishments, personal gains, duplicitous gameplays

And if some of the last BB’s

go all out on the casting!

And fights, arguments etc. that’s what security are there for. No need to overreact right?

Went on too long…. bad cast members were dull dull dull and in the end show depended on Rex/ Mikey for arguments.

Who casts this show now???? We want complex rich and exciting housemates…. not cookie cookie and Rachel, yawn yawn! Dum pretty boys - Dale, Stuart with the personality of planktom.

God it should be about the firiest, most opinionated, most unique, most headstrong and most rich in diversity/ self-expression!

Dull cast = rating death
No new ideas / format = rating death

BBBM sucked!

Even though not huge Davina fan, glad she is hosting instead of some of those horrific acts.

Never watch BBLB, just asinine TV.

tokens! what was that about!???? just go the whole hog. Make the HMs fight for their own cash. That triffling prizefund is not worth the suffering of BB.

And yes, tasks need to pit housemates against one another, let the strongest survive.

So tired of tasks with little outcome other than (yawn) shopping list. Please

ryan.b says: May 19, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

NEW IDENTITY YOU DONT HALF MOAN…dont watch big brother then if ur not a big davina fan she makes big brother what it is tbh and some things you say are true but no everything so i agree with brekkie it is one of the best in recent years!

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

plus that jail…

what punishments!

sit in jail. yawn.

i mean give them some crappy and degrading jobs for punishments.

don’t do it half-heartedly.

Though half-hearted is BB these days!

Please deliver!

As for couple going in… Mario and Lisa Robot

put a really volatile and jealous couple in with really loose eye-candy!

And put ex’s that hate each other in. And estranged relatives. Don’t be afraid to exploit…

BB should be about the unexpected and people put themselves up for it!

I mean Nicole was put in as show was getting super dull. Then it became the Rex show.

Also vote to keep in, not evict… because the interesting and mad characters each year are gone far too soon, leaving us with the selection failure crustations!

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

Ryan I know I moan! But I’m passionate about the genre! If it’s rumoured to be the last… they need ideas, and to make it good!

No way was BB9 the best!
post BB7 they have been on gradient downwards. Sorry my opinion.

Although hard toss up between which was worst out of BB8 / 9….

& Davina is… well, have to say improved on some years. But irreplaceable. No. Never.

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

BB5/6 all the way!

Up the antics BB! Live dangerously!

Garth says: May 19, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

Please, let’s try not to escalate the immaturity/silliness to a new level. At least not tonight.

Series 9 was a good series in terms of production, but it did have its flaws, just like any series. I do hope that Phil Edgar Jones is able to notice what did go wrong in Series 9 and prep it for Series 10.

Davey says: May 19, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

I didn’t like the Heaven and Hell twist that much. I found, on the whole, it was executed poorly. The role of HoH wasn’t as powerful as it should have been. The producers were borrowing elements from BB USA and watering them down. Either you go down that route completely or not - their attempts were often half-arsed. The nominations pod was a notable low.

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Agreed Garth… it’s always about new ways forward.

Still I want it to be crazy, charming, controversial, contentious, cutting edge and creative!

Immature! Maybe I am…! but some ideas! Phil Edgar Jones just call me!

BB10 RIP says: May 19, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Well chopping the C4 forums and removing 24/7 live feed of any type with just the overnight ’sleep and fart’ live coverage on E4/CH4 Hardly inspires positivity IMHO LOL.

Oh and some of the more obvious desparate attempts to talk up the series and downplay the cuts listed above by CH4/Brighter Pictures staff pretending to be FMs arround the web forums arent working either LOL. In fact its getting people more angry LOL

Davey says: May 19, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

And I disagree with you that it was the best series since BB6. BB7 was a much better series that ukltimately suffered from the meddling of the producers (a few misjudged punishments and twists which saw the exit of big characters too soon and so the ending of stories very early - and I do think casting is, has been, and always will be the integral ingredient of any series - see BB4 also).

But at the end it was still a fun series. And I think it had more going for it than BB6 or BB9 ever did.

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

Davey… exactly… if they borrow ideas make them better and take them to the next level - do not make them more dilute and diminsh it into obscurity! that’s hardly challenging or exciting for the viewer!

BBFan says: May 19, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

BB9 was proof that they can still make a half decent series. The way they executed the twists (barring the first one) was much better than previous years, with the double eviction being an absolute gem!!

Although ratings fell, it was very steady so its probably likely that the 5m or so that watched BB9 will come back to BB10, even if they hated CBB6. If they can get the BB9 viewers back then they’re off to a good start, and then they can also build on that with new viewers and possibly returning viewers who maybe haven’t watched the last few years. 6.1m watched the CBB6 launch; historically fans aren’t turned away by one series so clearly Big Brother does still have some pulling power, and if they get launch night right and basically drill it in “this year will be different and we can still make a damn good show” then viewers will stay. If there is a live show on the Friday lets hope they use launch show to their advantage.

Rumours in the media are suggesting there will be more tweaks to come this year and the house is looking promising so far. The live feed is a touchy subject but we’ll see how they manage without it. If they can stablise the audience at above 3.3m nightly (overnights) and at least 3.5m with officials then I think they can call it a success, despite it being slightly down on BB9, but it will be up on CBB6.

Overall its nice to see something positive from you Brekkie :) But heres to a good BB10. Lets hope they’ve realised BB9 essentially reset things and gave them a new start.

BB10 RIP says: May 19, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Live feed is more than just a touchy subject not helped when alot of people found out they were misled about when the descision was made to axe it 24/7 and were fobbed off with lies.

Also worth remembering that E4 live coverage is reduced this time even compared to CBB6. Its only the overnight ‘Sleep and fart’ feed and you can bet anytime anything happens interesting outside bedroom they will leave it on IR camera of people snoring LOL

Brekkie says: May 19, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

I think the general consensus is that BB9 was a better produced series, and more entertaining, but still didn’t get the support it deserved from C4 - who kind of just let it play out and hoped nobody would notice.

Thinking about it too as the eviction shows were down considerably in the overnights, I think that - plus the return of the low rated Saturday show - contributed significantly to the average fall in the ratings.

Looks like though the eviction schedule remains the same this year though, despite it being obvious to everyone BB would rate better in one 90-minute slot - and indeed the filler at 10pm would probably not be as badly hit with a move to 10.30pm as the eviction show has been.

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

C4 are too scarred of BB nowadays - but they should support free media and remember they were an innovative and challenging channel.

This paranoia has really damaged BB - I hope there is coming back from it.

I always get the feeling BB are having to stiffle and suffocate ideas due to fear of backlash… but if this is nearly the end of the line… go all out! Go out with a bang!

And who knows, a powerful series, no matter how controversial could bring back the viewers.

Get new ideas, evolve. Stay with them. They need to remain strong, defiant and look to the future!

BBFan says: May 19, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

BB10 RIP, I disagree about the live feed time. Where I do think the live feed should stay, in the summer series’ the majority of things actually happen at night, its not like CBB where they’re all in bed by 10. They don’t usually go to bed until about 3-5am when most of us are asleep for the next day anyway. We don’t know their plans for waking them up. They might push the alarm back to about 11am, midday etc because they don’t have live feed viewers to entertain at that time and they can physically stay up later.

The thing about the second show last year was that it rated much better with officials due to ending so soon, and this meant week in week out we got “least watched eviction ever” reports but looking back at the figures, it wasn’t actually that bad, quite good in fact! If it is two seperate shows then I hope they do shave 5 minutes off and put it from 10.30pm-11pm. 11.05/10pm was just an awkward time to stop at and it felt dragged on from about 10.55pm because you’re used to shows finishing on the hour.

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

Well talking viewers…. it’s a recession! People are struggling, poor and if there was some decent escapism offered, BB could really pull back it’s base!

In regard to the live feed question, of-course they do not need to devote E4 to 24-7.

Webcams! Even budget channels can manage that!

Again, goes back to the fear Endemol/C4 lives under in our ‘free’ ‘democratic’ ‘unbiased’ media! (Cough, cough).

BBFan says: May 19, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Identity- definitely agree with what you’re saying. I think the best thing that can happen to Big Brother is axe it after BB11, then whether on Channel 4, ITV, Sky1 whatever, after about 3 years once the power of nostalgia has kicked in, have a “sensational” relaunch of the show. The simple truth is it has been going for too long and the public want a break. It could be a big media event again when it comes back, but then again it might not be. The safe option could be to go to Sky1 where the show could be risky as it will be out of the spotlight so less complaints …

BBFan says: May 19, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

Sorry I didn’t really expand on why all of that relates to your post. I’m on about the media influence of the show, and being encouraged to complain about things. Because of the complaints, sometimes it can get everywhere (e.g. Jade, Emily, perhaps even Alex and Dennis), and it becomes a little too much. Thats why I think the public want a rest for a while and let some new saddo craze take over or for the OFCOM brigade to latch on to something else.

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

BBFan… yes, pains me to say it, but it does need a break soon. It doesn’t have to mean forever…

C4 are too ashamed and uncomitted to it.
Endemol are too nepotist and relied on the same producers for too long.

I would change my mind if they could break through this time.

Afterall! The politicians can hardly criticise it that much this time after the widespread lying and sleaze they have been exposed for!

Still gutted at how this country vilifies people! Brand, Ross… yes, and of-course the resounding cries of hypnocrisy saying remove ugliness/ debate from our TV!

England is crazy like that! Regulate. Deny. Repress! Censor! We can even watch other countries crazy stuff, but the ‘Made in England’ stamp brings all sorts of censorship craziness out! Other countries aren’t so paranoid/ hypocritical.

Sure get rid of people if they beat up someone else! But if the contestant is involved in arguments/ where there is security all the time… sorry but big deal… it’s a show. People argue.

As for sex… wow! And nakedness! What a taboo! Bejesus! Thought in the 21st century we might be a little less Victorian about the thing!

BB should be about free speech, sensational characters, larger than life twists and be exciting, entertaining.

It is not a moral validation of a nations insecurities.

The Russel Brand/ Jonathon Ross occurence proved that! Hundred’s of thousands complained without even hearing it!

Also people who don’t want to watch should grow up and vote with the off button. Why does it effect them?

Just don’t watch idiots !!!!

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

As for Alex, sorry, but I feel BB put her in on purpose to get thrown out. They knew she would be offensive and would be rude. It was a sad state of affairs they had to scapegoat a rude and obnoxious woman to somehow balance the race row’s!

I really hate that! When they choose people to prove something.

Of-course no-one saw the Denis thing coming particularly, but the Alex thing was so inevitable. So tired. So lame. So pre-planned.

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

Plus! No-one can deny they don’t know that experience is:
a) going to be hard
b) they won’t like people
c) this is totally and only their choice
d) the selection process is hard and they have to want it despite all warnings and awareness of the risks
e) they can leave at any time! they are hardly hostages, and if they can’t take the heat… well…!
f) this is not a meal ticket to fame/ sucess/ reward and can be a very damaging experience or even limited

Freedom of action to go in. Freedom of choice to stay in. That’s it. They should be prepared for the experience and for dealing with uncertainly.

After all, they wanted it!

Therefore BB have earned their creative licence with these individuals and should not be limted in doing so.

Head of House last time. Wow! Just proved BB are scarred of making any action now.

Really. 10th anniversary. Get over it. What’s the worst C4 can do? Cancel BB? er…

BB10 RIP says: May 19, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

ITA good post New Identity !
Plus do people think they will even know about another Dennis style incident this year given no daytime live coverage or 24/7 red button now ? Nope unless it suits producers preplanned script .

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

BB10 RIP.

No we will know nothing.

It might as well be relaunched as telly tubbies soon! ‘The most unexpected yet’!

Banal, innocuous, cloned,’crazy’ (like Rachel) housemates doing babyish things…

Remove all controversy and arguments so nanny state doesn’t wet its pants.

Cos if you can’t see it, it doesn’t exist.

And oh, how sugary and sweet it will be!

wow! everything BB set out to be! everything it wanted to achieve!

Groundbreaking TV!

Brekkie says: May 19, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

To be honest I’m fed up of talking about the live feed now - I’ve made my views very clear here, on Digital Spy and directly to C4 - so I’m not going to waste too much time moaning further.

However, in regard to Dennis - a classic example of how the live feed can really work. Obviously it kicked off at night and the feed was cut, but that was covered in the highlights.

However, for me and many others the interesting thing wasn’t the fight itself - but the fall out - and although it was touched upon in the main show, you really had to see it on the live feed, however censored it might have been at certain points, to see how the HMs really felt about events.

NEW IDENTITY says: May 19, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

true enough!

Well Brekkie! Despite my moaning and anxieties - I’m keeping some optimism!

I will be there with my mates, jumping up and down, screaming at the TV like a banshee on launch night!

I guess we all love the show a little too much and that’s why we’d like to see it work and back on top again!

Phil says: May 19, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

I’d say BB7 was better than BB9 because BB9 just didn’t feel original enough to me and the housemates weren’t as great. Like you, I don’t believe that housemates are the most vital aspect of the programme, but BB9 didn’t have anyone who really stood out to me, they all seemed to blend together. But I’ll give the producers some credit in that it wasn’t repulsive vieweing like BB8, but had potential; it was wasted.

Tom says: May 19, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

Pretty much, I really didnt like BB9. I found myself not watching some shows, then not being bothered to have missed them. BB7 has been my favourite so far. I like the idea of completely secret areas of the house, but hiding new housemates halfway through the series is pointless. Anyway, BB9 wise, I think the housemates made it bad; the winner, Rachel, pretty much sums it up. The most boring of the lot.
Im really looking forward to BB10. The BB9 house was way too similar to the BB8 house for my liking, this one seems to be quite new. The logo is ace, im looking forward to more adverts and graphics :).

hazzajam says: May 20, 2009 @ 7:09 am

the way i see it, its a tv show. im not going to sit and pick at all the little details of production to decide whether it was a good series or not, im going to think how entertaining it was.
therefore BB7 was better than BB9. Easy.

ALSO

we should definately vote to SAVE.
interesting characters will stay in.

BB10 RIP says: May 20, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

Hi Brekkie !
Only reason I keep commenting on various BB Web forums is when we have the more obvious CH4 Trolls trying to play down peoples annoyance over the live feed provision or lack of it. Plus of course the way they have lied and continue to about reasons.

LenYJr says: May 30, 2009 @ 4:44 am

I just hope we avoid last year’s “stunt casting” - i.e. “the blind guy”, “the couple”, “the party girl”, “the rich guy”. We need housemates to be cast as people and not to fill roles that the producers are looking to fill. Here’s hoping for interesting PEOPLE to be housemates.

BB10RIP says: June 2, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

@LenYJr

It will be far Worse. A group of bit part actors/actresses from other series ( Like the coach trip if rumours are correct) and usual wannabe WAGS etc. All working to the Producers Scripts filmed like a soap opera during day due to lack of 24/7 live feed

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